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htvdo
06-27-2007, 09:33 PM
I don't know how I get myself into some of the things I get myself into, well actually my wife gets me into sometimes....

I have a local church, not my church, but a bunch of the members are customers and friends and my daughter attends the youth group there, anyway they asked if I could help them and I said I would try.

They want to put a camera in the sanctuary and run live feeds to 1. the nursery so the attendants can watch funerals and sermons etc., 2. the kitchen/fellowship area for overflow and the ladies preparing meals for funerals and weddings etc. and 3. possibly a third monitor (there is nothing at this location now) in the hall area for "overflow" viewing when they have large funerals and events where there is not enough seating or for parents with babies crying etc.

I would like to get some ideas from the board as to what kind of camera might work, I was thinking a security camera which we are not into so I don't know what I should be looking for, something with sound and color I presume.:) I can't imagine being able to get a fixed camera with good quality video that could cover most of the front of the church, but hey that's why I asking the pros. Sound I would think would be more of a priority than good quality video maybe. With the camera selected I guess that would determine what wires would need to be installed, that I can definitely help them do. Then I need a cheap idea for a distribution amp (if needed). There are 20" TVs in the nursery and kitchen already and nothing in the hall. The existing TVs do not have cable running to them as they are used now mainly for VHS tapes to keep the younger kids entertained.

This is a small country church out here in the boonies so funds are very limited and they have given me no budget to work off of. They do not need to project anything to a big screen, nor do they need to add the words to songs scrolling along the bottom of the screen and it needs to be simple so they can turn it on and the picture goes to the other areas of the same building with no camera operators or sound mixers required if you know what I mean.

Surely some of you have seen a budget setup in a similar situation that would work.

This is one of those deals where I will donate my time to help them and get whatever equipment that is needed at cost plus shipping. It will be good advertising and we should reap what we sow at a later date hopefully...

sattec
06-27-2007, 09:45 PM
hey htvdo...put the camera (it has 100 feet of wire included) in the back of the room ($ 45), take the a/v output of the camera to a channel modluator ( $50 ), wire the tv's back to a used distribution amp and a four way ($50) receiving signal from the mod...Pad down the mod output or "crank" it down.....done....there are other ways...using used parts is the cheapest way to do any job. I have everything you need if you get stuck...no more than 150 -200 for parts.

mistergadget
06-28-2007, 05:57 PM
I did one like you are describing about 10 - 12 years ago and it is still in use today.

Keep in mind this is really old technology and was done on a shoestring budget.

I used a shoulder-boulder camera (old RCA VHS) and mounted it in the crows nest with the sound board. Took output off the mixer and sent it into the mic input on the camera (that way there was good audio). The camera had an external rf modulator that i put into a channel master amp and sent it out on channel 3 throughout the church to the different tv's. Also had a small tv in the booth to monitor the feed. Only drawback was someone had to put a tape in it and press record, but it was mounted directly above the sound board so if someone was there running sound it was not a problem.

Small country church on a budget can probably find someone in the church with an old VHS camera to donate. Then add a modulator if it doesn't have one for $20 and an amp for another $20. Now figure out how much coax you will have to run and how much for your labor and you might be able to help them.

There are plenty of more expensive options available . . . but you asked for the cheap solution. Hope this helps. :)

ROMAC
06-29-2007, 12:41 AM
Try a NetMedia camera with built in modulator , they are a great color camera as long as there is lighting .You can run several of them on a single coax and the coax also carries 12vdc .Quick and easy .ADI carries them . They run about $ 125.00 a camera . Or PM me , I have several laying around , maybe we can work something out .

sattec
06-29-2007, 01:59 AM
uhmm...converting a/v to rf at the camera can be a nightmare. A camera at 150 and another at 50 will hit the crows nest with levels way out of balance, to balance it and to send that mess on to the tv's can be....er...hell. So, netmedia cameras have agile modulators built-in...didn't know that. The netmedia camera/mod is a 15db output? or what? dipswitch to select output chanel or what...

http://www.netmedia.com/pr_a_v_cammod.html

they have some good stuff alright!!! thanks!

ROMAC
06-29-2007, 09:06 AM
uhmm...converting a/v to rf at the camera can be a nightmare. A camera at 150 and another at 50 will hit the crows nest with levels way out of balance, to balance it and to send that mess on to the tv's can be....er...hell. So, netmedia cameras have agile modulators built-in...didn't know that. The netmedia camera/mod is a 15db output? or what? dipswitch to select output Chanel or what...

http://www.netmedia.com/pr_a_v_cammod.html

they have some good stuff alright!!! thanks!

I have used NetMedia dozens of times , mainly for the customers that want a camera on the front door and garage but do not want the expense of a quality DVR to record . During the day they have a great picture , at night they need plenty of light to work . However in the application above they should be just fine . Yes , they are agile and have dip switches on the back of the camera to setup what channel you want it to output . I have had nine of these on a single coax without an issue , just be sure to skip a channel between cameras. Keep them add on odd or even channel , never one after another .

On that link look for the SCE Series

htvdo
07-02-2007, 07:53 PM
Wow, good information guys, this doesn't look like it is going to be near the nightmare I thought it might be, glad I asked the pros. The committee head is vacationing and then church camping the next 2 weeks but I am going to try to get someone to let me in and do some measuring. I will probably be contacting some or all of you when I get the go ahead to proceed.

Thanks a bunch!

htvdo
07-02-2007, 08:49 PM
I checked out the NetMedia web site and these look like great little cameras, but I can't find anywhere it says anything about built in microphones. Do these cameras have audio?

ROMAC
07-08-2007, 06:29 PM
If they did have audio it would be crappy . The best solution for that is to tap into a line out on the PA system and use a volume control for that room .