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Unseensimpleman
09-11-2007, 11:06 AM
Opinions???/ Suggestions even.

Cheapest solution w/ above average dependability?
(last Baluns i bought were near 100$ a piece & cx has already spent enough)

Scope:
Hd transfer/transform to "mirror" (2) H-20 ird's in commercial (bar) setting.
(both mirrored Flat screens to be mirrored from sep H-20's i already installed
as source)

60ft or less in distance.
( so dist is not any issue)

(will consider component Or composite = looking for cheapest way "out"
for the H-20 (no RF out remem) and price prob for this cx is more imp than pic quality. (the patrons are drunk anyway (lol!)


Thanx..& Just lookin for some input.
( OH... AND figured id write a "Real thread" for a change ;) )

Blake
09-11-2007, 11:25 AM
I love baluns. Especially those big hot air ones you can ride

Unseensimpleman
09-11-2007, 11:33 AM
Ok silly man..

I'm glad we dont have to "blow in A Balun" with the "air of mind"..

=Say hello To a real STATE "TROOPER" & w/o a gun! ;) (lmFao!)

kingofku
09-11-2007, 05:54 PM
So he owns a BAR and has spent enough already. Tell him to double the prices from 9pm-10pm. Then he'll have enough money to spend!!! :) :)

But, if they're only 60 foot runs, why not just run a component video cable? Either way you're going to run Cat 5 or video cable. With the latter, plug it in and you're done.

Unseensimpleman
09-11-2007, 06:21 PM
hey raise the Bar prices to pay for it.. Now thats an Idea!

Nah but...
The place has concrete I beams so no over head "hiding of cbl is poss.
(Ceiling is "butted up" to I beams)

The runs will be exposed about 12 ft up on outer wall wood work type trim.

=
Cat 5- 1 wire
comp= 5 wires

So, Im thinking about esthetics also in this.

One Tv is in the middle of no where and "the run/ mirror" will ultimately
Have to cross over the over head Bar (glasses and such) area that Is attached to the concrete I beams also.

It needs to be the cat 5 for Pretty-ness IMO.

I just hate the fact of the High prices of the baluns is all and wonder if any of you guys Knew of some "new fangled" device put out recently that may not incur such cost or a Manufactor that isnt so proud of the baluns they try to rob me w/o a pistol. (lol).

Skiid
09-11-2007, 08:29 PM
The Niles baluns are about 100 bucks retail.

http://www.nilesaudio.com/product.php?prodID=C5-HDDA&recordID=CAT-5%20Baluns&categoryID=Automated%20Switching%20Systems&catcdID=&prdcdID=FG01276

The Gefens are more expensive but do a far better job.

http://www.gefen.com/kvm/product.jsp?prod_id=3960

Unseensimpleman
09-11-2007, 08:46 PM
(SKIID)

YEP (your post) THAT is what i want to avoid but yet Cure the situation w/ profesionalism at the same time.

SO...Wheres the Medium? (lmao)

Btw "Guru"
look @ these and read the specs and see what Ya think.

Then Ill post the Price .
------------------------1345

Description
Model C5HDP Cat5 Distribution Audio/Video Balun
Distribute a high definition component video/digital audio source to a remote location over extended distances using economical Cat5 cable. Uses standard Cat5 or Cat6 cable. Can be used with four composite video channels and mono analog audio. The adapter provides a minimum of signal loss and may be used for high definition distribution with cable lengths up to 200 feet typically with no monitor adjustment. Composite video picture quality is excellent in excess of 750 feet. When used in security applications, a monochrome picture will work in excess of 1500 feet.

Features
Uses standard Cat5 or Cat6 cable
Four RCA connectors for component video and digital SPDIF audio
Heavy gauge steel, powder-coated chassis is corrosion and scratch resistant
No power required
Dimensions: 3" x 3.25" x 1.25"
VIDEO:
Nominal Input Level: 1 Volt peak to peak
Gain: N/A (passive unit)
Input Impedance: 75 ohms, unbalanced
Output Impedance: 100 ohms, balanced
Isolation port to port: >60dB
Isolation out to input: Bidirectional
Return loss: >15dB
Video bandwidth: >35MHz
AUDIO (Digital & Analog)
1 Audio Channel available: may be used to transport a SPDIF digital audio signal or a mono audio signal
Mono analog signal will be attenuated slightly due to lower impedanceof the digital audio channel
DISTANCE:
High Definition distribution with cable lengths up to 200 feet typically with no monitor adjustment
Composite video picture quality excellent in excess of 750 feet
In Security applications a monochrome picture will work in excess of 1500 feet.

SCOTT
09-12-2007, 04:07 AM
What do you do? Place one of these at each end of the cat5 run?

Unseensimpleman
09-12-2007, 08:32 AM
Scott
Thats what i want to know about the ones i posted the specs about.

Some have a "rec unit" and a "send side" so to speak as one purchase.



Im wondering if these (above) come with both sides or do i have to buy (2) to complete the circuit.

If we can keep Skiids attention, he'll help im sure. (lol)

He's my chosen Guru on this type mess and dont even know it.. i dont think. (lmao). He screwd up and mentioned baluns in here months and months ago and im one who dont have Amnesia . He he.

Btw.. these above are 47.95 a piece (in comparison to 100$), so thats what makes me nervous in wondering if i need to buy 2 per line or ... hmmm. or is it all included.(both sides)
(specs arent clear on that to me)

But Yeah Scott that what these things do.They are Nothing but over priced transformers. w/ cat 5 in the middle.

You can get ones that are diff kinds of transitions also. = Composite, component, coax ect... And i think there is a switching box for HDMI even now days but the thing is outragious im sure.

Skiid
09-12-2007, 09:57 AM
Those are like the Niles ones. I listed the retail prices not what we get them for. $47.95 isn't retail is it?

Unseensimpleman
09-12-2007, 12:17 PM
Skywalker man.(prices) And yeah thats the price from their online cat.

What are your prices on the ones you posted.?

I stay away from ADI and the likes btw. .

So what ya think of the specs in comparison of what i listed?

Im asking YOu with true intent now..and when i call you Guru i meant it.
I can spell "H-u-m-b-l-e" (lmao) though its hard to tell it i AM sure. (ha ha)

ROMAC
09-12-2007, 10:55 PM
I think we use C-Labs . It is RGB / audio in and 4 to 8 out . So we pull 5 coax to each . It can be done with dual CAT5 and a balun , but the price goes up on every TV added .

Unseensimpleman
09-12-2007, 11:24 PM
(5) coax.. HUH?

I want a balun on both sides (rec and send) and cat 5 Like ive used before
im just trying to save this guy some change is all,
And dont want to buy Junk

This is what i want:
comp out of IRD to Balun> cat 5 > balun.> comp in to "slaved/ mirror tv".
And
HD-ey
show-ey
all pretty ;)



I know.. i can ask that guy i thought we could trust with HD in his name.. (LMFAO!!!)

Skiid
09-13-2007, 05:31 AM
How cheap do you want? 47.95 is the cheapest I've ever seen. I wouldn't buy anything from Skywalker but that is just me.

SCOTT
09-13-2007, 05:40 AM
thanks for the info

I too have reservations with skywalker, but if you buy with caution they have good prices.

Unseensimpleman
09-13-2007, 07:23 AM
How cheap do you want? 47.95 is the cheapest I've ever seen. I wouldn't buy anything from Skywalker but that is just me.

I found those AFTER i posted this thread Man.

Whats wrong w/ SKYwalker?.
I dont use them and use their cat as reference material.

I use DOW here in town but im sure they dont have these on the shelf.
-----------
And speaking of supply houses or outfits in this industry...
Im anti DSI and wouldnt get Shhh from them even IF it was Free.
I think the Whole DSi bunch Needs a court room and sworn affidavits resulting in someones ass thrown in Jail, & Before i go to rest, I hope to see that come to pass.
Maybe i can get these "winged-up followers" to drop a Bomb in Iowa one day. (lol)

Skiid
09-13-2007, 10:58 AM
the only satellite part distributors I will buy from are P-10 and Applied Telcom. Perfect 10 have never messed up on an order and I have never returned anything. I have used them all at one time or another. For anything other than satellite related parts I use AVAD, EDINW, some other distributors and deal with a lot of factory direct for much of my equipment. You actually get terms with these people.

Unseensimpleman
09-13-2007, 10:27 PM
P10 ahh Not too found of them either.

That Whole MSp BS turned me on them too.

I did buy alot of plenum rated cbl & mess from them though for one job.
(fastest Beldin/ Plenum(speced) to my door i admit)

For "the real stuff" i use Graybar electric.
Dow for sat mess.

Never had dealing w/ Applied telecom yET.

Btw speaking of the Plenum word. Man everybody is "proud" of that stuff.
IF I drop one of those zip ties, i sure as heck pick it up (lol).

Halar? sure if you say so(lol).. i swear its made of gold and KEV-lar for what they charge for that crap.

Oh yeah, whats the deal w/ Skywalker.. why do you peole not like 'em?

SCOTT
09-14-2007, 11:21 AM
cheep made in china crap

dishnorth
09-14-2007, 05:08 PM
I'd be sure to use NiceDuc to hide those unsightly wires.

Unseensimpleman
09-14-2007, 11:22 PM
cheep made in china crap

What electronic mess now days isnt made over seas Or china practically anyway.

Im Just wondering about those baluns Skywalker has / i found online .